L'chovod Rabbi Shapiro,
I just listened to your shiur on amoleik bezmaneinu. I enjoyed and learned amenselly. Yasher Koyach!!
The Zohar you mentioned about being misgalgel three times and not being m'sakein, got me wondering. The Zohar says, if I'm quoting correctly from you, that this person is for sure from the eiruv rav.
If the symptom of being from the eiruv rav is failure to do t'shuva in 3 gelgulim, then the eiruv rav's bechirah is obviously compromised. If this is so, the question is... Why send down a person to this world if he is set up for failure in ruchnios? Further more, how can such a person be blamed and punished?
Zohar About Being Misgalgel 3 Times
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, Aug 21 2013 07:06 AM
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Posted 29 August 2013 - 07:20 AM
The Eruv Rav have total bechirah. It says nowhere that they are forced to do bad. Whatever Nisyonos they find themselves in are of their own doing.
A member of the Eruv Rav can can be a Tzadik also if they want.
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Posted 30 August 2013 - 04:27 PM
If the Eruv Rav have the same level of bechirah as a full fledged Yiddishe Neshama, how can we then deduct that a specific Guf has the neshama of Eruv Rav from the fact that he's an apikores? Or from the fact that he failed to be mesaken himself in three separate gilgulim? It seems that in order to be able to make that deduction, the cause for his sinful behavior must be his flawed neshama. Otherwise, how would we know for certain that an apikores is from amalek? Maybe he's a Yisroel who used his bechira to choose wrong (since he's just as likely as amalek/eruv rav to choose wrong)?
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Posted 09 September 2013 - 07:08 AM
If the Eruv Rav have the same level of bechirah as a full fledged Yiddishe Neshama, how can we then deduct that a specific Guf has the neshama of Eruv Rav from the fact that he's an apikores? Or from the fact that he failed to be mesaken himself in three separate gilgulim? It seems that in order to be able to make that deduction, the cause for his sinful behavior must be his flawed neshama. Otherwise, how would we know for certain that an apikores is from amalek? Maybe he's a Yisroel who used his bechira to choose wrong (since he's just as likely as amalek/eruv rav to choose wrong)?
There are two separate issues here: One: An Apikores does not have a Neshama that stood at Har Sinai. This is because there is a guarantee גם בך יאמינו לעולם which means a Jew who stood at Har Sinai will always believe in Moshe's prophecy.
Second: We know that before Moshiach comes, the Eruv Rav will be in charge of Klall Yisroel, particularly in Eretz Yisroel, etc. The Eruv Rav issue has nothing to do with the "not standing at har Sinai" issue.
Every Erev Rav person - and every Apikores, and even every Jew who is "mizerah Amalek, has the ability to change that status of his and, just as he "obtained" the Neshama of a non-Jew (including perhaps the Neshama of an Amaleki) that carries whatever baggage it carries, he can relinquish that Neshama as well.
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Posted 09 September 2013 - 07:10 AM
Since everyone alive today is a gilgul, does that mean we are all the reincarnations of the original Airev Rav? Scary thought.
Scary and not correct. Please listen to the Shiur.
http://www.baismedra...s-amalek-today/
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Posted 17 September 2013 - 04:13 PM
Every Erev Rav person - and every Apikores, and even every Jew who is "mizerah Amalek, has the ability to change that status of his and, just as he "obtained" the Neshama of a non-Jew (including perhaps the Neshama of an Amaleki) that carries whatever baggage it carries, he can relinquish that Neshama as well.
1.When you say "Every Erev Rav person has the ability to change that status ", who's the one that's making that choice, his Erev Rav neshama or his body? As I understand his original "good" Neshama can't have anything to do with it since it wasn't around. And who will get the credit for it.
2. does his original neshama get onshim for the deeds of the Erav Rav neshama?
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Posted 27 October 2013 - 06:44 PM
1.When you say "Every Erev Rav person has the ability to change that status ", who's the one that's making that choice, his Erev Rav neshama or his body? As I understand his original "good" Neshama can't have anything to do with it since it wasn't around. And who will get the credit for it.
2. does his original neshama get onshim for the deeds of the Erav Rav neshama?
1. His mind. (The "him," not anything that is "his.")
2. Yes. All the components of a person share reward and punishment.
