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Gezeras HaGolus vs. Yishuv HaAretz


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#1 yidel

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Posted 01 April 2011 - 12:51 AM

if there is a gzeira min hashamayim for the jews to be all over the world and (at least according to some) there is a mitzvah "yishuv eretz yisroel" how do both of them work together, imagine if all the jews take on this mitzvah

#2 Rabbi Shapiro

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 03:20 PM

You're correct that because of the Gezeiras HaGalus it is destined that Klall Yisroel as a whole will not live in EY until Mohsiach comes. Instead, they will live all around the world, including Eretz Yisroel as well. The question is how this works in face of the MItzvah (as you correctly pointed out, according to some) of Yishuv EY. There are different possibilities suggested. Either the Mitzvah of Yishuv EY is simply nullified because of the Gezeiras HaGalus (the Ritva holds that even the Laav to live in Egypt is nullified because of the Gezeiras HaGalus, which means Jews have to live all over the world), or that the MItzvah of Yishuv EY is not nullified but we are all אנוסים על פי הדיבור because of the Gezeiras HaGalus. (According to this second approach, if somoene does live in EY he would still get the MItzvah of Yishuv EY, because the MItzvah is still in effect but there is an exemption of אונס which exonerated someone who does not live in EY - the Ramban himself can hold like this - that there is no obligation to live in EY nowadays but there is still a MItzvah to be had if you do).

Also bear in mind that the Gezeiras HaGalus is not like the Gezeirah of the Dor HamIdbar, which was a prohibition to enter EY. The Gezeiras HaGalus is not like that. Rather, it is simply a decree from Hashem that we will be spread across the earth. Meaning, even if there is a MItzvah to live collectively in EY, things will happen so that we will not all end up there. So for example, it was not always possible to go at all times and from all places to EY. The Gezrias HaGalus can cause that to happen. Plus, there are circumstances that would exempt someone from living EY even if he could do so, for example, if he cannot have Parnasah there, or if he is not on the level to go there לשם שמים for the right reasons.

When I was a teenager I asked Rav Yaakov Kamenetsky ZTL why all the Gedolim do not up and move to EY. He said because they need to take care of the Jews in Chutz La'Aretz. He also told me back then that it is harder to bring up children there, especially girls, and you cannot put your children's chinuch in danger to live in EY.

So Hashem's גזירת הגלות is simply part of His running of the world, part of His Hashgacha, and one way or another, Hashem will employ His Hashgacha by creating circumstances to enable its fulfillment.

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Posted 04 April 2011 - 09:57 AM

so what im getting out of your response is, that in theory it might be a "stirah" (cuz if we all decided to do this mitzvah the gzeiras hagolos falls away) [atleast the gzeira to be spread all over the world] but it just wont happen because of the gzeiras hagolos, hashem will no allow it to happen, did i get it right?

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Posted 04 April 2011 - 06:43 PM

...and that the Gezeiras HaGalus may remove the individual's obligation of Yishuv HaArtez - either totally eliminating it altogether or taking precedence over it. The difference between the two is if a person does live in EY, whether he gets the MItzvah of Yishuv HaAretz for living there. If the Mitzvah merely takes a back seat to Gezeiras HaGalus a person living in EY not in violation of the Gezerias HaGalus would get a Mitzvah for doing so, even though he was not obligated to do so. If the Gezeiras HaGalus eliminates the MItzvah, then even if someone lives there not in violation of the Gezeirah, he gets no MItzvah for doing so.

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 02:20 PM

I understand that there is a gezeirah for us not to be in EY now because we're in golus. But do we have an obligation to try and make sure that curses in the Torah come true? For example, women are cursed with a painful childbirth, but we do what we can to minimize that. Why should the curse of bolus be different?

#6 Rabbi Shapiro

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 04:57 PM

Because Golus itself isn't the curse. The NEED for Golus is the curse. And that, indeed, we should try to remove.

Moshol: A sick person is on life support. People around him are saying Tehillim for him. Someone comes and asks them what they are doing.

"We are saying Tehillim for that person, for him to get off this life-support machine", they say.

"Oh? Then let's do some Hishtadlus! Watch!" And then he proceeds to pull out the plug and pull the patient off life support.

"IDIOT!" they scream. "Murderer! You pulled him off of his life support system!"

He answers: "I don't understand. First you tell me you want him to get off life support. Now you have complaints because I accomplished what you wanted?"

But his error was, life-support wasn't the problem. The NEED for life-support was. We pray for the patient not to need life-support, but so long as he needs it, we dare not take him off. The Histadlus is to cure the patient so he doesn't need the life support any longer. The "curse" is not that the patient is on life-support; the "curse" is that he needs it.

So too in Golus, so long as we are still unworthy of the Geulah, we NEED the Golus. The curse is that we are not well enough to sanctify the entire world from Eretz Yisroel. The Bais HaMikdash helped us do that. Eretz Yisroel helped us do that. But our Mitzvos got weak due to our sins and we were not longer able to sanctify the world that way. Instead, we now have to "manually" travel in Golus, all over the world, and sanctify the world like that. So long as we are still spiritually weak, serving Hashem in Golus is our only chance for Geulah. The Golus is analagous to the life support system for a choleh.

The "curse" of Golus is like cursing someone that he should be on life-support. So long as we are still "sick," we need it. Of course we should do Hashtadlus to get ourselves out of Golus! But that means being mishtadel to cure the sick person of his illness. it does not chas v'sholom mean to take him out of the hospital before he is ready.

This is why there are terrible punishments designated for violating the Gezeiras HaGalus. The Bnei Efraim all died in the desert because of that; the Bar Kochba massacre was because of that.

Leaving the Golus is like leaving the hospital. We all pray it should happen and we all try to make it happen, but we dare not do it before the proper time.