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#1 achasshoalti

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 09:08 AM

Who gets greater reward: one who accomplishes more (e.g. learns more material, & more in-depth) or someone who pus in greater effort & ameilus but accomplishes less? If possible what are the sources....thnx!

#2 Rabbi Shapiro

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 11:03 AM

Someone who puts in greater effort.

משנה מסכת אבות פרק ה

בֶּן הֵא הֵא אוֹמֵר, לְפוּם צַעֲרָא אגרא


רמב"ם יד החזקה הלכות תשובה פרק ז

(ד) ואל ידמה אדם בעל תשובה שהוא מרוחק ממעלת הצדיקים מפני העונות והחטאות שעשה אין הדבר כן אלא אהוב ונחמד הוא לפני הבורא כאילו לא חטא מעולם ולא עוד אלא ששכרו הרבה שהרי טעם טעם החטא ופירש ממנו וכבש יצרו אמרו חכמים מקום שבעלי תשובה עומדין אין צדיקים גמורין יכולין לעמוד בו כלומר מעלתן גדולה ממעלת אלו שלא חטאו מעולם מפני שהן כובשים יצרם יותר מהם:



#3 achasshoalti

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 11:26 AM

oh wow, that Rambam mamash says it b'feirush! ty!

But isn't the idea that tzadikim can't stand b'makom baalei teshuva a kind of violation of "chotei nischar"

#4 Rabbi Shapiro

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 11:51 AM

But isn't the idea that tzadikim can't stand b'makom baalei teshuva a kind of violation of "chotei nichar"


It would be, but after someone does Teshuva the חטא retroactively never happened so it's not a problem (that's Rav Hutner ZTL's answer).

#5 achasshoalti

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 11:54 AM

masuk m'dvash!

#6 FS613

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 09:16 AM

It would be, but after someone does Teshuva the חטא retroactively never happened so it's not a problem (that's Rav Hutner ZTL's answer).

L'Chvod Rabbi Shapiro, Shlita:

 

If someone does sincere, broken-hearted Teshuva, and the Chet retroactively never happened,

 

does that mean the he does not get punished for it, either in this world or in Gehenom?

 

Thank you.



#7 Rabbi Shapiro

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:01 PM

L'Chvod Rabbi Shapiro, Shlita:

 

If someone does sincere, broken-hearted Teshuva, and the Chet retroactively never happened,

 

does that mean the he does not get punished for it, either in this world or in Gehenom?

 

Thank you.

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