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[FS613]

L'Chvod Rabbi Shapiro, Shlita:

Regarding the above-mentioned audio file on the Bais Medrash of Bayswater web site:

1) Is there a follow-up mp3 file on the web site, which continues the subject?

2) If Avrohom Avinu was a Shoresh for Am Yisroel, to inherit his character traits,

was the Shoresh further refined through Yitzchok Avinu and Yaakov Avinu,

so that only the descendants of Yaakov Avinu (and Kosher converts) belong to Klal Yisroel?

3) Why did such persons as Yishmoel and Esav descend from Yaakov Avinu?

4) If I remember correctly,

it's said on the mp3 file that after the Dor Haflaga, people were divided into those descended from Avrohom Avinu, and the 70 Umos.

Are Yishmoel, Esav, and the descendants of Kitura also counted among the 70 Umos, even though they weren't born yet, and even though they are descended from Avrohom Avinu?

5) Is it true that always "Esav Sonay es Yaakov,"

but Yishmoel hates Yaakov only if he's given a reason, such as R"L Zionism?



Thank you.

[Rabbi Shapiro]

1) Not at this point in time.
2) Yes.
3) You mean "Avraham Avinu." During the careers of the Avos the spiritual makeup of a Jew was being developed. Esav and Yishmael were the waste products of the Avos. Avraham's seed were purified in Yitzchak because Yishmael was separated from them, and so too Yaakov's seed because it threw away Esav.
4) The GRA writes that the 70 Umos are subdivisions of Esav and Yishmael. There are two global Umos and 70 specific Umos.
5) Yes. But relatively speaking.

[FS613]

A) Regarding 4) above,

aren't there nations today who are descended from Yafes and Cham, such as Greece and Egypt?

B) If Adam and Chava had not sinned with the Pree Aytz HaDaas,

would all of their descedants have observed the Torah and have gone straight to Gan Eden for their Schar,
without division into Jews and non-Jews?

C) If Adam and Chava had not sinned with the Pree Aytz HaDaas,

would there be no death in the world?

Thank you.

[Rabbi Shapiro]

A) That's a good question. The answer is, those descendants did not become independent nations (of the 70). They intermarried and ended up within the 70.

B.) Yes.

C) Correct.

[FS613]

Does each one of the 70 Umos HaOlam have a specific function in keeping the world going,

 

while Bnay Yisroel study Torah and do Mitzvos, until Moshiach comes?

 

Thank you.

[Rabbi Shapiro]

Does each one of the 70 Umos HaOlam have a specific function in keeping the world going,

 

while Bnay Yisroel study Torah and do Mitzvos, until Moshiach comes?

 

Thank you.

No.

[Hillel]

Regarding the idea that there would not be a distinction of Jews and non jews without the sin of adam, what does the midrash mean of בשביל ישראל שנקרא ראשית.  The midrash sounds that Hashem had Klal Yisrael "in mind" when He created the world?  Was everyone going to be called  "Klal Yisrael" of sorts? 

[Rabbi Shapiro]

Regarding the idea that there would not be a distinction of Jews and non jews without the sin of adam, what does the midrash mean of בשביל ישראל שנקרא ראשית.  The midrash sounds that Hashem had Klal Yisrael "in mind" when He created the world?  Was everyone going to be called  "Klal Yisrael" of sorts? 

Yes.